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Morighan

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You took Boltz saying we didn't intend to take you as far as he knew as him "coming to you asking to renew the pact..."

I'd say that's, at the very least, a radical interpretation of the text. This is the problem with you. Exaggeration bordering on outright lying. The man was being friendly and just giving you a heads up that we weren't wolves on your doorstep. Also, the rim comment was about TEE taking you out. God kid, reading is fundamental. Also never said we dropped the pact. We HAD been talking about dropping it for a month, but you cut it off. Also, I never talked to BoC at all as you insisted YOU were the only ones they would talk to. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and that's probably 93% of the time. It's all you making up your own interpretation that suits your god complex.

You're better on the boards than in game, honestly. If I only saw what I see of you here, I'd think you were a decent, experienced player and halfway nice guy. In game you are just out of control, more like this diatribe of blathering and proving why you're right.

Not getting tied up with you has nothing to do with you. It has to do with playing into TEEs hands. If you can't figure out they want us to fight so they we are both embroiled you're strategically challenged. We have a select few very good, very strong pacts of the type that never did have nor never could have had with you because you just don't play well with others. Just because we're not attacking doesn't mean we're backing your play against TEE and everything is hugs and puppies and birs in each other's harbors. If you're expecting us to be fighting by your side and backing you up, it's not happening. Don't plan with that in your head or you're destined to fail.

Do what you want Smil. I'm done. I don't have to deal with you anymore so I choose not to. Here, so you can sleep tonight, you know everything. There I said it. Does your e-peen function again? All better? Best of luck to you!
 
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No I put that there to shut you up about starting a fight with SS. Believe it or not a lot of what you said could and would put others under the impression that we're fighting.

Okay i'm done arguing now. Maybe you're right and I was coming off as controlling and arrogant. The only thing I have to say sorry for that and to give one final out reach to hear me out. Take it or leave it.

Morighan, you seem obsessed with the idea that i'm terrible at strategies, I can't play, and I have this horrible attitude. I could put you in touch with a multitude of people who would disagree with this statement. But since you feel that way personally i'll try to do explain this in a calm and polite way to you. The reason I didn't want you to fight BoC wasn't because I doubted a TR/TB ability. Its just I didn't think you could capture all of the turf needed fast enough. You tried and yes you won the war with ease. There isn't any way to ever argue that. However you did not capture what you needed and in turn this war will prove to be more time consuming and costly to you than it was beneficial trying to leave BoC in place. That is what I was warning you about. If anything you played right into TEE's hands you won them half an ocean. Don't get me wrong I absolutely LOVE the enthusiasm you show and determination to win. But please understand none of that is useful if you can't see the bigger picture. In all of grepo you DO have fire and a lot of leadership ability. The likes of which I haven't seen since the good ole days. This is coming from a revered EN leader. However you fight with emotion rather than logical thought sometimes. Its pretty clear here and while you could raise some interesting counter arguments they could be disproven if I wanted to screen shot it all. And believe me if this forum was more lively I would be posting PnP's and screen shots left and right. Its good to have some passion but take a look at some of the personal insults you're throwing and condescending attitudes you're taking. You simply give the impression that you yourself are no better. This in turn makes you look about 16 and like you rely on insults to get anything done. If I was a key alliance that had to choose TR or TEE the support of which could easily tip the balance in their favor and I watched you argue I wouldn't be sold enough to pick your alliance. This isn't meant as an offense just look at is as room for improvement for when you lead or make arguments on the externals.

Getting back on point. Yes I got very annoyed at BoC. Understand that I've been here before and I know you thought TB could help. But I didn't see it being an immediate help. I wouldn't have bugged you so much if I didn't see this coming. Did we have any real issues with wacky? Nah. Sure we didn't see eye to eye but we didn't spend a week fighting over it. There was no way to fairly settle it without someone coming up short or losing pop advantages so we let it slide. Nor did we have many problems elsewhere I don't think. However I want to drive my point home here. This wasn't me trying to control you or TR or be arrogant. This was me trying to stop you from walking into just this situation. TEE has their corner secured and is in your should be turf now. That is something that I didn't want for TR, my then ally, to have to deal with if it could be helped. If BoC proved ineffective vs TEE where were they gonna run? TR,TB, SS. If they had leadership problems? Well we had two talented alliances to draw on I would hope someone could have effectively manage an alliance and put together a good leadership staff there between us two. Make no mistake TEE is a super alliance and unlike most other super alliances they use diplomacy (RC and Enigma). This gives them a huge advantage over teams like SS, AH, and TR. To take down these kinds of alliance you need multi fronts and overwhelming force. That's why I was so crazy about stopping that BoC fight. Fixing the team, helping manage and recover, anything was better than having them walk into TEE's hands. So no I was not trying to control TR. I was trying to prevent TR from making a mistake that I've literally watched happen before. Fact of the matter is you didn't look very far forward. You looked far enough to see a huge win for TR. But you didn't see the drawbacks or if you did you quickly dismissed them. I hope you actually see what i'm saying and choose to take it to heart. This all could help you even if its just a learning experience.

Aside from all of this week long field trip back to high school you do seem like a good person. You also have fire in your leadership and long term that will spell success if you take some of my advice. Even after this display and some clear insults, lies, and stabs at me I do wish you well.

All the best to you as well. Have a nice day.
 
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Morighan

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Smilo, I'm sitting on three strong pacts with all of us having our home oceans locked up and having removed the flanking capabilities of the enemy and 56 surrounded on all sides. You are sitting up there alone with TEE to one side, the never ending saga of the GL turtle war wearing you down and feeding you people who have no idea what's going on, and now you're using your world famous diplomacy to have LHC move on you when they have more inroads in 75 than you do.

I'll stick to my own counsel, thanks, seeing where your advice and strategy have gotten you. I really do wish you well. Every city of TEEs you take is one less in their hands and, hey, maybe you'll pull it off solo and take'em out. You being so smart and all. Just be clear, you've managed to slit your own throat with the very group that was trying to work with you and, not through us but through your interactions with them, every other group in our pact group. You're not trusted and you need to stop thinking we're throwing you in at the last minute and look elsewhere for your pact that can help because it's not going to be with us. That's my friendly advice to you. Give up, look elsewhere.
 

PlagueisTheWize

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the never ending saga of the GL turtle war wearing you down
actually we kinda destroyed germanic league lol i dunno if thats considered a strong turtle shell to you but they basically dont exist anymore after 1 little ops mission and we had alot of nice GL guys join us in return and i dont wanna get in the middle of this but seems like you guys got a lil personal thing goin on alot of good people in TR and SS and we do work together and have biremes in each others cities and have each others backs but to have a pact it must be a 2 way street... and it seems like your real upset over BOC running to the evil empire its ok no big deal just more enemies to kill =] smolidon is very smart with his battle tactics he can see the big picture and whats going to happen before it happens and i would gladly go to war with him anyday, you dont see our forums you dont see his in game skills so ill leave it at that

so lets quit the fighting and focus on the real enemy at hand, lets knockem off their high horse than do whatever after but lets be smart here no one wants to see The enemy get stronger i think i speak for everyone in omnicron on that one
 
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Smilo, I'm sitting on three strong pacts with all of us having our home oceans locked up and having removed the flanking capabilities of the enemy and 56 surrounded on all sides. You are sitting up there alone with TEE to one side, the never ending saga of the GL turtle war wearing you down and feeding you people who have no idea what's going on, and now you're using your world famous diplomacy to have LHC move on you when they have more inroads in 75 than you do.

I'll stick to my own counsel, thanks, seeing where your advice and strategy have gotten you. I really do wish you well. Every city of TEEs you take is one less in their hands and, hey, maybe you'll pull it off solo and take'em out. You being so smart and all. Just be clear, you've managed to slit your own throat with the very group that was trying to work with you and, not through us but through your interactions with them, every other group in our pact group. You're not trusted and you need to stop thinking we're throwing you in at the last minute and look elsewhere for your pact that can help because it's not going to be with us. That's my friendly advice to you. Give up, look elsewhere.
You do realize that only one player has successfully conquered anyone here in SS from TEE right? He hits offline. When its an online attack its unescorted transports galore... 3 pacts? With all due respect you need 1 maybe 2 if its the world vs you. Its TEE vs you so I fail to see why you need more than one pact. Not sure who the other pact is outside of LHC.

LHC fed 5000 bp alone to one of our players. In other words city slots galore. Undoubtedly strong and committed players and I give my respect to them. I did even when they asked for a pact. However unlike TR I don't like excessive pacting and do in fact enjoy challenges. It's what makes the game fun. If you look at our positioning and TEE's we could take one island and fight Cagel...That's it really. The never ending GL war? You mean the one we ended in a single op...? See when you make oblivious comments like that it proves my point at how difficult you were to work with and why others might be frustrated. Again if you want I could toss you in my premade room on skype and you can ask everyone what they think of three pacts. Many would probably point out that its excessive given your size, positioning and caliber. At the end of the day threatening enemy or not TEE is just another alliance. One that not everyone in TR will get to fight unless things go badly for you. So people will start quitting. As for LHC having better positioning i'm sorry what? Seriously do you even look at maps and think about what you're saying? Or do you just say the first thing that comes to mind. Lets review. So far you thought you could conquer from O56 to O45 and get all the necessairy ground faster than BoC would break or join TEE. You were wrong. Now you think that LHC has more control of O75 than SS. Can I have some of what you're smoking? It sounds awesome!

I fail to see how I slit my own throat. So far you haven't attacked, we ended the pact ourselves as you failed to work with us really. But sadly I didn't enjoy the way you spoke to me or made condescending comments. Nor did any of the other leaders. You seem obsessed with the idea that you ended the pact or had a say. Fact of the matter is you got cut from our group faster than Charles Rogers did in Detroit. Don't try to twist it. We bluntly said that we don't want to deal with you until this drama you seem to carry with you gets under lock and key. I've said the same to Boltz and now some of your members are approaching me about it also. When people want to pick the top dog over the underdog that's supposed to be their allies then no sorry you didn't do well in communication or "working" with us. As for us wanting to "pact" with you. As long as you're playing calling then that bridge is burned sorry hun.

As for your strong pacts. LHC is untested and so far seem okay at taking towns that they surround. TB used a surprise attack to beat BoC and their leaders and top players fled to TEE since then they've capitalized on TEE's foolish recruitment tactic for a whooping 1 city gain. TR for an astonishing 2 town gain ergo you pretty much failed any reasonable objective in your attempt to conquer O56. Which you don't control fully control even between two alliances.

Long story short you really are proving that you don't have much of a clue about what you're talking about. Anyone who would like to review her points can use www.grepointel.com or www.grepolismaps.org both of which provide maps which you can see for yourself. Who really "won" the BoC war? Obviously the person who picks up the most skill players, cities, strategic turf, etc. Who really controls O75? Clearly not LHC while they do have a bid chances are once they get close up they won't be in as good of shape. Given numbers, extension, etc.

No offense morighan but you clearly don't have a clue. At this point you really are just making snubs and insults at me to throw blame off of you. Hence why you can't really address the simple facts like not having BoC even go your way in the way that you would have needed it too. Lets answer that before making any insults at me. At this point I now know what it feels like to be Barrack Obama when he has to deal with pointless ramblings from people like Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman.

Good luck in your war with TEE. I'm not sure that TR is gonna win.
 

Morighan

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Let it go Smilo and move on and find some allies. You're going to need them pal. You typing these psychotic, nonsensical, self contradicting multi-page manifestos is not going to help you find people willing to work with you.
 
Let it go Smilo and move on and find some allies. You're going to need them pal. You typing these psychotic, nonsensical, self contradicting multi-page manifestos is not going to help you find people willing to work with you.
I enjoy it your replies make zero sense yet you think you have a place to talk about mine. Have fun with TEE and good luck you'll need it with your lack of foresight. PS half your pacts are totally useless. ;)

We have to work together to beat TEE and if we don't they are going to pick us out one by one and roll over us.

Porto understand that while working together is great. Some of your allies have ZERO use beyond fodder cities. LHC could only really fight us at this point. You've basically tried to pit them against us and they won't make it in time to help. That's if they managed to beat us. Band of Brothers? I'll just let grepostats history explain why that was a dumb front to close.

Good luck trying to fight TEE and their allies. Ima get my popcorn ready :3
 

Blastnu

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Well I guess I should of left my alliance in more capable hands when I went into VM I come back it has been disband best of luck to you Simodon you have the right idea of what's going on here thisisgrepolis
 
Well I guess I should of left my alliance in more capable hands when I went into VM I come back it has been disband best of luck to you Simodon you have the right idea of what's going on here thisisgrepolis
Yeah tried to help hold it up. But sadly not everyone saw eye to eye. Best of luck to you too bud.
 

Borys

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Although Smilodon does talk entirely too much, I have to agree more with his assessment of the BoC resolution. It was an epic failure on the part of BoC to deal with or even defend against anything TB and TR had going. They shattered like glass. I think it would have been best for both TB and TR to demand TEE to cut the BoC defectors residing in 56 for consumption. Somehow, our wildly successful campaign ended up with us (I'm a former Butcher) being in a worse position in the ocean... Both TB and TR lost a critical moment because of their fear of TEE. The war between TEE and AH is such that I don't think TEE would have been able to respond to an attack on their southern flank from two large, well organized alliances. They may have even given up 56 entirely. Sadly, I'm afraid no one in TB or TR even asked.

This hesitance to push their weight around completely cut TB off from anywhere that matters. Also, this bullcrap personal stuff between SS and TR is not the way or the reason to conduct a war. How bad would it be for TEE if BoB, TB, SS and TR all got together and decided to war with TEE? 5 of the worlds largest alliances would be attack TEE from all sides. Why the hell is everyone wasting resources fighting amongst themselves? TEE is the large Red elephant in the room that everybody is too scared to go after. Hell even Stalin and Roosevelt got together to kick Hitlers ass, and we hated the Soviets.
 
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Morighan

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I hear you Borys, but there's a few problems with that. First, SS wasn't going to go in against TEE. If you read through his rants, he backed out and tried to merge with them while we were plotting strategy. I was actually pushing for it and he wasn't going to go. That's where that broke down. BoC was always going to fold like a house of cards, just like they did at the first shot, and were never going to be able to hold 56. That's why neither of those groups was part of the equation. I do think those BoC guys screwed over their poor leader who was on VM and came back, but they sued for surrender right after the first volley to give them time to jump ship. Had he been there it might have been a whole different situation, but the minute he left one of the leaders got in a huff, kicked half of the alliance and left and complete chaos ensued. There were huge problems there. You saw that yourself in 56 and what they did. You want them behind you going in against TEE? Now you're talking TB and TR and we were just starting to touch base with BoB who were, at the time, and still are, napped with TEE and not wanting to move on them either and said so flat out because they were tied up in another war.

This is what kills me. I was on the phone and skype with these guys, but everyone sat there and watched it go down and would not listen to anything. It's great to have your own theory, but I'm telling you, I was the one talking to them and this is what happened. Monday morning QB all you want, this is the hand that was dealt.

SS/TR has nothing to do with personal stuff. He'd pact us and turn his flags in a heartbeat without so much as flinching. You can't go in with people like that on your flank.

Also, the fact that you left TB, started a one man alliance and declared war on TEE...seriously.
 
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Borys

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Wha? I decided to branch out, heh. I'm just saying, the only alliance benefiting from this is TEE. They get to continue hacking away at AH without distraction and everybody knows that everybody will have to deal with them sooner or later. I feel that sooner would be better than later after they've eliminated more of their competition. No I don't think I'm going to win anything with my one man war (btw I just pwned Wallawizards Attleboro solo, /flex) But at least I'm fighting what I consider to be the right people. This petty bickering and insults gets us nowhere. Past problems about whether or not we should or should not have attacked BoC is immaterial to the future. BoC was a very poor alliance and I'm glad we found that out before we went in on TEE.
 
I hear you Borys, but there's a few problems with that. First, SS wasn't going to go in against TEE. If you read through his rants, he backed out and tried to merge with them while we were plotting strategy. I was actually pushing for it and he wasn't going to go. That's where that broke down. BoC was always going to fold like a house of cards, just like they did at the first shot, and were never going to be able to hold 56. That's why neither of those groups was part of the equation. I do think those BoC guys screwed over their poor leader who was on VM and came back, but they sued for surrender right after the first volley to give them time to jump ship. Had he been there it might have been a whole different situation, but the minute he left one of the leaders got in a huff, kicked half of the alliance and left and complete chaos ensued. There were huge problems there. You saw that yourself in 56 and what they did. You want them behind you going in against TEE? Now you're talking TB and TR and we were just starting to touch base with BoB who were, at the time, and still are, napped with TEE and not wanting to move on them either and said so flat out because they were tied up in another war.

This is what kills me. I was on the phone and skype with these guys, but everyone sat there and watched it go down and would not listen to anything. It's great to have your own theory, but I'm telling you, I was the one talking to them and this is what happened. Monday morning QB all you want, this is the hand that was dealt.

SS/TR has nothing to do with personal stuff. He'd pact us and turn his flags in a heartbeat without so much as flinching. You can't go in with people like that on your flank.

Also, the fact that you left TB, started a one man alliance and declared war on TEE...seriously.
At this point i'm not sure if you are forgetful or a horrible liar but since you seem insistant that we had it in for you why don't we look at the message that even caused us to vote on talking to TEE...

If you check the date that I spoke to Howes it was a day after you implied that you were considering siding with TEE yourself to us and claimed that we weren't red yet. The wording of that is ominous and when you becoming increasingly hostile in talks it would lead one to explore other options. Had you not done that I probably would have shrugged it off and accepted the situation for what it was and offered to help you fix it. Believe it or not you're attitude has an impact on how others feel about you. Sadly while you probably didn't like my know it all attitude. It went double for you and your obliviousness at times.

You say that BoC would have crumbled like a house of cards...Okay lets think this out. They were scared and angry with you for whatever reason. Why would you fuel that? That's why I was preaching alternate solutions. If TEE was the aggressor and the big bad wolf who would they have run to? That's if they didn't get surprise attacked at all who knows if they would have survived for Blastnu to come back.

Also do you really feel bad for Blastnu? That's so strange because I seem to recall several instances of you saying their leadership was a mess because of his absence. That it was your reason for attacking in the first place...hmmm so odd.
 
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Borys

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I think we are making headway here. i don't know who blastnu was but his alliance was certainly a house of cards, and when that house fell the bigger portion fell on TEE. You were both right about certain aspects of this. What do we do now?
 
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I don't think we'll make much head way here. TR has a long way to go and considering Morighan took my first attempts to offer advice as an insult evidently and used them chance to insult me in return or point the finger at SS I doubt that she would be willing to try again. Add this to the fact that we voted our top two options was to merge into TEE OR just go down fighting them both worst case. I doubt that we would be interested in trying to deal with them unless they legit were ready to cut out the terrible politics and work with us whole heartedly. Something that they weren't capable of before and I don't think they are capable of now. Especially when given the fact that she is clearly faker than a scene kid in high school.

*Morighan Today*
"I feel sorry for Blastnu and his alliance"

*Morighan a week ago*
"Their leader is gone and there's tons of internal conflicts now is the time to strike".

It should also be noted that they had an NAP established with BoC prior to the conflict. So they basically broke an agreement both verbal and official. Yet she has the gull to say that we were the weasels. If anyone ever questioned why we went to TEE and offered them a merger. Well there ya go. We aren't afraid of them at all either. Its simply a game and I love underdog fights. However it is a matter of principal. Working with someone who is arrogant to a point where it affect their game play and strategy isn't my ideal view as a fight. Add to the fact that they throw fuel on the flames and yes you will always get me wanting to pick the top dog in that situation. Nothing dirty about it if you want to prevent it don't be a terrible team mate. And certainly don't cry like Cam Newton because other people stop liking you over it.
 
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