I couldn't agree more with you Jaxx...and for the most part minus the traitor comment should have gone to a new server, I agree with Ximi as well.
Lack of gratitude and betrayal is very uncivil but the American colonies revolting was a lack of gratitude and betrayal so sometimes its required, especially if you could make the argument that those members left because they weren't treated with enough respect or gratitude in their original alliances.
But I couldn't agree more with the lack of civility demonstrated by some, but to be honest this server is not bad at all on that, Eta has some of the most ungrateful little spoiled punks you will ever run into in this game. It has completely turned me off to this game and I only play now out of my sense of loyalty to those I should be grateful to. In this world its my former TH members who I will follow to the gates of Hell if it was requested and on Eta my own alliance.
I remember hearing how TH would die fighting with their banner in hand and the stats that stood behind it, right about a week before they merged with AM/DM. I suppose it had something to do with the fact that Mags and I were not in the ring kissing mode and made it clear titles in Havoc were not given but earned, which brings me to my second point. SMM, FB, BLOC and these others were empowered within Havoc's establishment. They were given cities and the liberty to grow pretty much unchallenged for months. Several had earned titles and some even managed to keep them. Two of them had just been promoted to founder status and why they did not just disband the outfit is beyond me. TBH I may not be alone in thinking this would have actually helped Havoc so maybe thats why.
Now certain SOPHISTS would have you believe that these few carried Havoc, but truth is the banner was a top 10 alliance 5 months before this rukus bunch joined. Fact is some are just not cut out for leadership and are better at taking orders rather than giving them.
But Im just a figurehead so what do I know AMIRITE? I know this much for sure; I'd rather be the Queen of England and stand for something, than King Bull Feco and fall for anything.
Really, you are sad about the status internet gaming forums I gotta say NINJA PLZ!!!!! People are dying, starving, abused, misused and imprisoned in RL. *Price check on perspective please*
You must be new to the world wide web. Go play a match of LOL and you'll find out real quick what a lack of community really looks like. Maybe I am just old school but my first MMO was BROOD WAR and it was brutal. (Zone Control/Zero Clutter) In the past 20 years things have gotten much much more PC and the EPEEN is not nearly what it used to be. Not to mention the mods, especially here, never let it get out of hand. You want to see what it was like even ten years ago google Death and Taxes guild drama in WOW, now thats sad. At the end of the day if it's all too much for you here, I have a UBER group on HELLO KITTY ONLINE if you want an invite.