You're going to have to show me when we started "expanding" in O54, that must pre-date me. speaking of date, I'm pretty sure datepalm was one of the guys attacking our players and if LSB was a "branch" why did they have to join LG? Why did Sulley quit not long after that merge? if they were already yours "branch" then no transition should've been needed correct? Why make LG to begin with if you had LSB? maybe you can help clarify.
I started in 54 so I personally didn't expand into 54 because I was already in 54 and so were some of the people I played with pre-IE, who also joined IE and IE had very minimal real estate in 54 when I joined, only reason it increased is because it was decided to join AH in fighting you guys, how that decision making played out exaclty...pre-dates me. Of course when LSB players started attacking and then seeing support coming from YG kinda made reasons to fight you more of a mission, seeing that they weren't really going to hold that many sieges without your added support...and let's not forget the trash talk in the externals.
As far as AH, we moved in their area, where ever that was, to fight you, they even gave us cities but sure we just invaded and allies area without their ok like you said, and Pigs? their main area has always been 55 so where do you see us taking cities down there? and even still any issues concerning that was resolved anyway with their leadership.
Toxic...was... toxic, like chudd said we talked to the guy, as you can see eventually we got tired of it...oh and that Papa guy was never really an issue, toxic really exaggerated the whole thing and made us look foolish, Papa bothered a few folks but not everyone was in that part of 44 yet to actually effectively engage....and of course the beginning of that also pre-dates me.
Yes being number 1 makes you a target, that's every world but you guys made us an enemy not the other way around, if IE had any real estate in 54 when i joined it was because of taking in new players and those players at the time, like myself, were in the north part. I pay attention to ocean rankings and IE had barely any stake in 54 at the time, if anything they were on the border.
Now let's talk about those Pact talks, let me make this clear. We came to the table to explore our options, gather some info, to see whether a pact/nap would be beneficial with WW's in mind. There were no guarantees, there was no pressing to make it happen, we just had a conversation to see what came from it, to see where the alliance we were fighting practically all server was mentally, see what you guys were talking, and to decide where we wanted to go...iguess you can call it an evaluation based off curiosity so please don't make it seem like we were begging for a pact/nap because as you saw, if you were in the chat, it ended up not happening because, in a talk among ourselves, it was decided that it was NOT in our best interests...and then a week or so later, maybe less you guys took the dive.
I hope I covered everything or most. You're an ally now Joe so I'm not going to keep debating about what happened before because really it no longer matters. I wish you the best. I'm tired of the externals already and I just got here...see you guys in-game. New Top 12 anyone???